{"id":469,"date":"2019-11-20T16:05:16","date_gmt":"2019-11-20T22:05:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/agcus.net\/?p=469"},"modified":"2026-02-04T19:16:46","modified_gmt":"2026-02-05T01:16:46","slug":"how-conduit-commercial-loans-are-priced","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/streamapse.com\/TAR\/?p=469","title":{"rendered":"How Conduit Commercial Loans Are Priced"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I have a great training article about commercial loans for you today. \u00a0How do conduits price their commercial loans? \u00a0After all, commercial lenders cannot buy a forward commitment from Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, like a residential mortgage banker; yet most commercial loans today are fixed rate loans. \u00a0How on earth do the commercial loan officers, working for these big-time commercial lenders, know what to quote?<\/p>\n<div>In a prior training article, I explained that most commercial bankers quote their fixed rate commercial loans at 275 to 350 basis points over five-year Treasuries. \u00a0You will recall that a <em><strong>basis point<\/strong><\/em> is 1\/100th of one percent, so 300 basis points equals one 3.00%.<\/div>\n<div><strong>Example:<\/strong><\/div>\n<div>Suppose you call your local commercial bank and speak to a commercial loan officer about a commercial loan. \u00a0He will look up <a href=\"https:\/\/info.c-loans.com\/e2t\/c\/*W1hV2yv8BFslXW57w8Kc9lt6_T0\/*VGxR3W87WlLXW8BKkJp7KkYRh0\/5\/f18dQhb0SmhS8XJblHW95HXth85fh_3N243DQgs1wPdW57Ds3F15BmSlW5q9cPw8yym7NW5yMB5c64P_l_W8p-fNR65HFGcW8z-Ws78wX7P6N5_VsBJSc_GPW5GGVTV5wL96rW8sZ4WS67b7w6W7hYCG43N1LjyW79CH551SdKWJW32j40p5mZjbqN31H380cfl0HW6b-vF067h1zcMQC5z2PC2cVW3hMyz06R8984W799HVm1n2FQQW5CyvZ223G3p-N5tb7pjhMfdwVfD2rW2wC-psW1p8B4Y3H0trsW24wp3K6T86rLVhMwzN4qX88YN97YqVrNgJkPN6LLhR8dPVd5VXn3l35v03R5W63LHP_4PkBg5W6BkmNH8bQGpzW72zrXT712jpZW7cTLkJ5wQGFMW5PsN925y5vClW714h8Q1nzB6qW83p3Th2XS9yZW7gZNjl8DsRnXW6_KZ_p5sHdv4N8w1khHmRw0WMdXyXb1M8_7f365fC-03\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/info.c-loans.com\/e2t\/c\/*W1hV2yv8BFslXW57w8Kc9lt6_T0\/*VGxR3W87WlLXW8BKkJp7KkYRh0\/5\/f18dQhb0SmhS8XJblHW95HXth85fh_3N243DQgs1wPdW57Ds3F15BmSlW5q9cPw8yym7NW5yMB5c64P_l_W8p-fNR65HFGcW8z-Ws78wX7P6N5_VsBJSc_GPW5GGVTV5wL96rW8sZ4WS67b7w6W7hYCG43N1LjyW79CH551SdKWJW32j40p5mZjbqN31H380cfl0HW6b-vF067h1zcMQC5z2PC2cVW3hMyz06R8984W799HVm1n2FQQW5CyvZ223G3p-N5tb7pjhMfdwVfD2rW2wC-psW1p8B4Y3H0trsW24wp3K6T86rLVhMwzN4qX88YN97YqVrNgJkPN6LLhR8dPVd5VXn3l35v03R5W63LHP_4PkBg5W6BkmNH8bQGpzW72zrXT712jpZW7cTLkJ5wQGFMW5PsN925y5vClW714h8Q1nzB6qW83p3Th2XS9yZW7gZNjl8DsRnXW6_KZ_p5sHdv4N8w1khHmRw0WMdXyXb1M8_7f365fC-03&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1574373161726000&amp;usg=AFQjCNG5cZOGwMPnkHsH8B-XFO9qaXCq7w\">five-year Treasuries<\/a> and see that on July 3rd, 2019 they stood at 1.74%. \u00a0He will then add between 2.75% (275 basis points) and 3.5% (350 basis points) to 1.74% to determine what rate to give you.<\/div>\n<div>Does your client keep more cash on deposit than Fort Knox with his current bank? \u00a0If so, in an effort to win your client&#8217;s deposit accounts, the banker might quote you 4.49% for a ten-year, fixed rate commercial loan, with one rate readjustment at the end of year five. \u00a0If your client is a mere mortal, rather than a cash demigod, the bank will probably quote him 5.24%.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div>But these quotes are from banks. \u00a0How would a conduit lender quote his commercial loan? \u00a0After all, <strong>conduit loans are usually larger than $5 million<\/strong>, and the properties are reasonably desirable. \u00a0Their rates on commercial loans have to be more attractive than bank loans, right?<\/div>\n<div>You will recall that conduits originate commercial loans for the CMBS market. \u00a0<em><strong>CMBS<\/strong><\/em> stands for commercial mortgage-backed securities. \u00a0Think of a CMBS loan as a huge, fixed-rate, commercial real estate loan written to cookie-cutter standards.<\/div>\n<div>CMBS lenders have very little flexibility (that darned cookie cutter), but if you qualify, you get a ten-year, non-recourse, fixed rate commercial loan at a rate that is at least 40 basis points cheaper than what a bank can offer. \u00a0When you are talking about a commercial loan of $10 million, 40 basis points is real money. <strong>\u00a0In addition, conduit loans are FIXED for the entire ten years!<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div>So when you call a commercial loan officer at a conduit, how does he know what to quote you? \u00a0Remember, unlike residential loans, you cannot lock your rate on a commercial loan. \u00a0<strong>When you apply for a conduit loan, you have to take the current fixed rate at the moment of closing<\/strong>, and the process takes at least 75 days. \u00a0Every day, from the time of application until the day of closing, your interest rate will change.<\/div>\n<div>So I recently asked my good friend, Tom Lawlor at Morgan Stanley, how conduit commercial loans are priced. \u00a0Here are his kind answers:<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div>Q: \u00a0Are CMBS loans still quoted based on swap spreads?<\/div>\n<div>A: \u00a0Conduit loans are quoted as the <em><strong>greater<\/strong><\/em> of (matching) Treasuries or swap spreads, plus an agreed upon margin.<\/div>\n<div><em><strong>Swap spreads<\/strong><\/em> are financial instruments where nervous corporate Treasurers will swap their adjustable rate loans from the bank for a fixed rate loan from some speculator. \u00a0Obviously, for taking the risk that interest rates might skyrocket, the speculator makes a handsome profit on the deal.<\/div>\n<div>Swaps spreads change daily, and you can find them <a 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data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/info.c-loans.com\/e2t\/c\/*W1hV2yv8BFslXW57w8Kc9lt6_T0\/*W6BN4Fj5bCmybW27HS7D7fwKJ10\/5\/f18dQhb0S5fn6BGy-_W1RZmjN5H0XxdW7t5DXP1GVhHCW6BlzkW1Vqz72MM7Yn3V8NtxMLMzT8ScVYLW8tBFp3498JrkW1wtky21J6bgWW1GVR322N23XRW2WcJCZ1HN850VN8kkd8mp0TcW5x5KNk7-XB_5W67h1CP8r5GVdW2GRw4Y3HtrQnW2K4XMj8tzC3FW8q-1tC5vYsTgW55T8N87w3wPSW1NC3Kc1F6KTtW1CXr2n1GWvFJN4m9Wm0wZRvgW6lp-kZ1D9DxqW20DywX8Y_jqjW7sWV7m4gMM7lW1J3T8N6CM_kMVpjnCr1VdYgFW8_vS7J1yMPSzW6kLqdj7NVcGPW6vxFyL91dnfpMnQfqSq1VM9W1-7czx7ZjRCNW1BxxJm7ZdjLrW73R1h2224l1fW1L6_0t88fGfwW6Pq7jG1M76BqW2nRylc5qPpz1W36SJGj9d50Z_W2_yJ7D7B8-TQW89XjZ06w5PJZN2H_gq1VMPVbVVrLq852MrHSf22w0H004&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1574373383595000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHOafktMVeRTQ11JgsGB3bh-r18Gw\">posted here<\/a>.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div><strong>Example:<\/strong><\/div>\n<div>Your client is seeking a $12 million, ten-year, fixed rate, non-recourse commercial loan from a conduit. \u00a0Because your client is seeking a ten-year commercial loan, the conduit quotes him a negotiated margin over the <em><strong>greater<\/strong><\/em> of ten-year Treasuries (notice the matching term) or ten-year swap spreads.<\/div>\n<div>On the date that the attorneys draw the loan documents, ten-year Treasuries are 2.00% and swap spreads are 2.15%. \u00a0The conduit will therefore use the greater of the two indexes.<\/div>\n<div>Q: \u00a0What are some typical margins over swap spreads for multifamily?<\/div>\n<div>A: \u00a0140-185 bps<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div>Q: \u00a0What are some typical margins for office, retail, and industrial properties?<\/div>\n<div>A: \u00a0The margins are similar to those of multifamily. \u00a0Pricing is most determined by the <a 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speads over the index and swap spreads, I have used the term, <em><strong>margin<\/strong><\/em>. \u00a0In real life, where the lofty conduit lenders dwell (remember, their minimum loan is $5 million), they use the term, <em><strong>spread<\/strong><\/em>, over the index, rather than margin.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>By George Blackburne<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have a great training article about commercial loans for you today. \u00a0How do conduits price their commercial loans? 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